Phaedrus — A Reader’s Guide

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Plato, 428? BCE-348? BCE, Jowett, Benjamin, 1817-1893 [Translator] Project Gutenberg 1999 Not confirmed
Classical literature; Socrates, 470 BC-399 BC; Rhetoric -- Early works to 1800; Love -- Early works to 1800; Rhetoric, Ancient; Soul -- Early works to 1800; Lysias Readers of public-domain and historical texts
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Reading time 181 min
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In Plato's Phaedrus, Socrates and Phaedrus discuss love and rhetoric beside the Ilissus. The dialogue examines the nature of the soul, the value of inspired versus technical speech, and the relationship between lover and non-lover through myth, dialectic, and self-deprecating humor.
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Lysias was born in the year 458; Isocrates in the year 436, about seven years before the birth of Plato. The first of the two great rhetoricians is described as in the zenith of his fame; the second is still young and full of promise. Now it is argued that this must have been written in the youth of Isocrates, when the promise was not yet fulfilled. And thus we should have to assign the Dialogue to a year not later than 406, when Isocrates was thirty and Plato twenty-three years of age, and while Socrates himself was still alive.

Those who argue in this way seem not to reflect how easily Plato can 'invent Egyptians or anything else,' and how careless he is of historical truth or probability. Who would suspect that the wise Critias, the virtuous Charmides, had ended their lives among the thirty tyrants? Who would imagine that Lysias, who is here assailed by Socrates, is the son of his old friend Cephalus? Or that Isocrates himself is the enemy of Plato and his school? No arguments can be drawn from the appropriateness or inappropriateness of the characters of Plato. (Else, perhaps, it might be further argued that, judging from their extant remains, insipid rhetoric is far more characteristic of Isocrates than of Lysias.) But Plato makes use of names which have often hardly any connection with the historical characters to whom they belong. In this instance the comparative favour shown to Isocrates may possibly be accounted for by the circumstance of his belonging to the aristocratical, as Lysias to the democratical party.

Few persons will be inclined to suppose, in the superficial manner of some ancient critics, that a dialogue which treats of love must necessarily have been written in youth. As little weight can be attached to the argument that Plato must have visited Egypt before he wrote the story of Theuth and Thamus. For there is no real proof that he ever went to Egypt; and even if he did, he might have known or invented Egyptian traditions before he went there. The late date of the Phaedrus will have to be established by other arguments than these: the maturity of the thought, the perfection of the style, the insight, the relation to the other Platonic Dialogues, seem to contradict the notion that it could have been the work of a youth of twenty or twenty-three years of age. The cosmological notion of the mind as the primum mobile, and the admission of impulse into the immortal nature, also afford grounds for assigning a later date. (Compare Tim., Soph., Laws.) Add to this that the picture of Socrates, though in some lesser particulars,--e.g. his going without sandals, his habit of remaining within the walls, his emphatic declaration that his study is human nature,--an exact resemblance, is in the main the Platonic and not the real Socrates. Can we suppose 'the young man to have told such lies' about his master while he was still alive? Moreover, when two Dialogues are so closely connected as the Phaedrus and Symposium, there is great improbability in supposing that one of them was written at least twenty years after the other. The conclusion seems to be, that the Dialogue was written at some comparatively late but unknown period of Plato's life, after he had deserted the purely Socratic point of view, but before he had entered on the more abstract speculations of the Sophist or the Philebus. Taking into account the divisions of the soul, the doctrine of transmigration, the contemplative nature of the philosophic life, and the character of the style, we shall not be far wrong in placing the Phaedrus in the neighbourhood of the Republic; remarking only that allowance must be made for the poetical element in the Phaedrus, which, while falling short of the Republic in definite philosophic results, seems to have glimpses of a truth beyond.

Two short passages, which are unconnected with the main subject of the Dialogue, may seem to merit a more particular notice: (1) the locus classicus about mythology; (2) the tale of the grasshoppers.

The dialogue opens with Socrates encountering Phaedrus outside Athens, a rare excursion for the famously urban philosopher. Their walk along the Ilissus River to a plane tree sets a scene of natural beauty that Socrates claims to be drinking in for the first time. This setting is not mere backdrop; it frames the conversation as a leisurely, almost playful exchange, yet one that quickly turns to serious matters. Socrates’s ironic self-deprecation—he claims to be inspired and falling into dithyrambics—signals the layered tone of the work, where humor and earnest inquiry coexist.

The excerpts reveal a dialogue structured around speeches: first a written one by Lysias, then two by Socrates. The first speech argues a paradox—that the non-lover should be favored over the lover—while Socrates’s response redefines love as a form of divine madness. The interplay between written and spoken word, and between rational argument and inspired myth, is central to the work’s method.

The Setting as a Rhetorical Device

The choice of a rural setting is unusual for Socrates, who in the excerpts admits he never goes outside the town. This detail is not incidental; it underscores the dialogue’s concern with novelty and perspective. The description of the plane tree, the stream, and the grass where the two recline creates a contrast with the usual urban spaces of philosophical debate. Socrates’s remark that the place seems holy—‘surely the place is holy’—prepares for the inspired tone of his second speech. The natural environment becomes a stage for discussing the divine and the irrational, elements that Socrates will later link to love and poetic inspiration.

Love as Divine Madness

Socrates directly challenges Lysias’s rationalistic view of love by proposing that love is a form of madness sent by the gods. In the excerpts, he describes the lover as ‘the victim of his passions and the slave of pleasure,’ but this is part of a critique of the non-lover’s supposed rationality. The dialogue introduces the concept of the soul as a charioteer with two horses, a myth that explains how love can elevate the soul toward the divine. The language shifts from logical argument to poetic imagery, as Socrates claims to be ‘in a divine fury’ and speaks of ‘dithyrambics.’ This stylistic shift mirrors the content: true rhetoric, he implies, must be inspired, not merely technical.

The Critique of Written Speech

Throughout the excerpts, the status of writing is questioned. Phaedrus carries Lysias’s speech hidden under his cloak, and Socrates teases him about it. The written speech is presented as fixed and unable to respond to questions, a limitation that Socrates later explicitly criticizes. In contrast, the dialogue itself is a living exchange, where ideas are tested through conversation. Socrates’s own speeches are delivered orally and adapted to the moment, emphasizing the superiority of dialectic over static text. This meta-rhetorical layer invites readers to consider the very medium they are using to engage with Plato’s work.

The Interplay of Humor and Seriousness

Socrates’s tone in the excerpts is often playful. He jokes about being inspired, mocks the ‘rationalizers’ of mythology, and pretends to be carried away by his own speech. Yet these moments of humor do not undercut the philosophical content; rather, they illustrate the dialogue’s method. By laughing at himself, Socrates models a kind of intellectual humility. The exchange with Phaedrus—who is sometimes earnest, sometimes skeptical—shows how philosophy can proceed through irony and self-awareness. This blend of levity and depth is a hallmark of Plato’s writing and is especially prominent in the Phaedrus.

Readers approaching the Phaedrus should attend to the shifts in register: from casual banter to formal speech, from myth to argument. The dialogue rewards attention to its structure, as each speech redefines the terms of the previous one. The excerpts provide only a portion of the whole, but they reveal a work that is as much about how to speak and write as about what to say. The interplay between Socrates and Phaedrus, and between the written and spoken word, invites reflection on the nature of philosophical communication itself.

There’s a moment in Phaedrus where Socrates and his friend stop by the river, and the talk turns to what makes words truly alive. I keep thinking about that, especially when I revisit The Confessions of St. Augustine — Text and Context. Both feel like conversations you stumble into and never quite leave—the soul, restless, still trying to speak its own language.

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